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This is a rather late comment - nevertheless :-)I ...

2008-07-05T02:51:00.000-05:00

This is a rather late comment - nevertheless :-)

I agree that Semantic Enterprise is not Semantic Web. The forms of expression for Semantic Web are not adequate for expressing Enterprise semantics. The whole framework is not adequate as well.

You mention that all the attempted semantic enterprise solutions were very inaccessible and too slow.

We at ThoughtExpress (.Com) over the last 10 years developed entirely semantically based enterprise management system. It scales to volume and complexity much better than traditional RDBMS systems. We have almost entirely removed the need for programming as using our semantic forms of expressions non IT domain specific experts can express themselves directly. For example, we had 3 actuaries implementing entire large insurance enterprise - these can get rather complex.

After long research into forms of expression and semantics we are sure that RDF etc. are not adequate to express enterprise semantics.

Chris,In a nutshell I am saying:http://demo.openli...

2008-03-27T09:54:00.000-05:00

Chris,

In a nutshell I am saying:

http://demo.openlinksw.com/Northwind/Customer/ALFKI#this is the Data Link (not document link) for Entity ALFKI in my Web Accessible Database.

Anyone on the Web can access or extend the data that this http://demo.openlinksw.com/Northwind/Customer/ALFKI#this URI exposes.

This is no different to using a primary key in a DBMS system, "Closed World" style. The only difference it that the http://demo.openlinksw.com/Northwind/Customer/ALFKI#this transcends location, structure, and value changes whereas the Primary Key identified record is never the same once the key value, structure, or reference location of the key changes, HTTP injected into identity enables us to point to records across databases that are connected to the Web.

A mashup doesn't work this way, it's scrapping and manipulation of Literals culled from Web Documents.

You need to rewrite application code to obtain new perspective since the data and application host are intermingled.

Note: I cannot this post to expose the fragment ID component of the URL based URI :-(

Kingsley

Kingsley, I think we can agree to the potential of...

2008-03-27T07:49:00.000-05:00

Kingsley, I think we can agree to the potential of semantics. But I think one of your statements proves my point regarding the complexity of semantics:

'...RDF based Linked Data (Data Object Graph where each Object is endowed wtih an HTTP based Identifier), then the location of your de-referencing actions (Getting at the data associated with an ID via HTTP) doesn't really matter'.

In spite of my background I struggle to equate this to the everyday problems of the global enterprise and related enterprise technologies. I am not so confident that the 'semantic newbie' would fare much better than me.

Is the end of Mashup 'neigh'? While I admit a definite bias, I think most would agree that mashups are just getting started in the enterprise. After just 2 years in the spotlight they are showing great potential in financial, government and healthcare applications, for example.

As I said in my post, I expect semantics won't replace mashups but ultimately join with them. Both have a great deal to contribute to the enterprise and each other.

You state: 'Semantic Web’ isn’t the same as ‘Seman...

2008-03-24T16:30:00.000-05:00

You state:
'Semantic Web’ isn’t the same as ‘Semantic Enterprise' .

Why not? Or should it be qualified as: use of HTTP based URIs in-front-and-behind firewalls? If we put the confusing term: Semantic Web aside and focus on RDF based Linked Data (Data Object Graph where each Object is endowed wtih an HTTP based Identifier), then the location of your de-referencing actions (Getting at the data associated with an ID via HTTP) doesn't really matter.

I do agress that Mashups are temporary fixes for a Web of Information Resources where source Data is opaque, but that era is ending really fast since a number of recent advances are making Data Access and Information Data Source transparency much easier. Thus, the era of "Meshups" is neigh (imho).

BTW - Meshups imply recombining or joining structured data :-)

Links:

1. http://dbpedia.org/resource/Semantic_Web (a URI for the Semantic Web)
2. http://dbpedia.org/resource/DBpedia (URI for Dbpedia project(
3. I also have an Enterprise Linked Data demo in my most recent blog post, or simply go to: http://demo.openlinksw.com/Northwind/Customer/ALFKI#this (* URI for Customer ALFKI *)